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You are listening to Trinity Employment’s, a player matchmaker podcast, storing your host and the co founder of Trinity Employment Specialists. Cory Minter. Welcome back. This is cory minter and I,

I’m here with Ethan May and we are the a player matchmakers. We’re always looking to add value to job seekers and employers. The title of this podcast is the process of finding new employment after being laid off. CNC Machinist, the, the content is meant to help someone who has been laid off from their job or has lost their job for any reason and they’re dealing with the process of finding the right new job, not just a new job at the right new job. And sometimes that takes some time. And with that time comes what comes with it, you know, frustrations, a little bit of fear. Maybe we’re going to be talking about that. CNC Machinist, and you know, we believe this content is important because we believe that people struggle with this and it’s an, it’s an opportunity to encourage people and it’s something that, what we want to do, we always ask our listeners to invite different people.

If you, if this content helps you, we would love for you to invite friends of yours to at least know about this because we always want to be adding value to people and we would love for you to share this podcast with others. Uh, the, if you know that they’re attempting to improve their interviewing process, which is a lot of what our content is about. Um, and so on this, this episode, we’re going to be a. we’re going to be going over the process. So the process, there’s a lot of statistics about this and if you’ve been following us, you know that we had the statistical miracle here. Ethan May. I’m Ethan, tell me about some statistics about the job searching process. Sure. One of my favorite things, anytime we’re talking about the job searching process really comes down to interviewing resumes. Those things I’d love just because I’m a recruiter and I deal with that all the time, but, but this is a great stat that, that almost any recruiter will, will fervently neither had an agreement.

But um, department of Labor said that 76 percent of resumes are discarded, ignored, due to use of an unprofessional email address. And boy, I can tell you that, that, that is a true statistic. I can’t even tell you how many email addresses I’ve come across that you read and you’re like, are you really trying to apply for a job with that? You know, it’s, it’s kind of staggering a little bit. What was the most interesting one that you’ve seen? Because I had one. I had one that had something to do with somebody’s sex life or something. Oh yeah. I had one. I feel strained Santa Email address. The email me their resume looking for a, uh, like a, an accounting job in their email address was big booty smacker.

That’s good. So what we’re going to go into this, I’m in a later podcast or our next podcast later on is going to be talking about how to mind your social media, but we’ll, we’ll add email addresses to that as well. Tell us about some other statistics, Ethan. Now talking about social media is actually good. Yeah, I mean that, that really plays huge into, and we got some really great stats for that, that, that is one of them right now, just so you tune in next time, but 60, eight percent of employers say that they will look at an applicant’s facebook before they bring them in for an interview. So a social media is definitely a big thing, but one thing when it comes to employment, CNC Machinist, what it says is on average right now, the current unemployment rate is that, is it four point four percent?

That’s the stat by the US Bureau of Labor, which is actually a really low number for us, which means because of that, that means that the job market is tight. And so these tips we like to give you because they’re important and they’re definitely important. Now with a tight job market where everyone’s looking for a job. The thing is, I mean, you know, Ethan, the job markets, even it’s lower than that now. I mean, that’s, we’re in the lowest job market we’ve had in the last, uh, 20 years. And so there’s a lot of opportunity for people. But the thing is, is you want to find the right opportunity and I want to, I want to introduce our guest today. His name is Ben and I met Ben at Church and he had, he had come to talk to me and told me about his situation and so every week me and ben get an update on a, his job search and how it’s going.

And this is the reason that I invited Ben to come in today and it’s because of this. I’ve noticed that over time his perception of how things are going and his perspective has always been much more positive than most people know. I’ve, I’ve had many talks with Ben and I know that he’s had some struggle as well. But I wanted to have him come in and share his story and I’m hoping that it might encourage someone who might be dealing with some of the same things that he’s doing. And I’m telling you, man, he’s been doing a job search at a high level and really focusing on what he wants for his future. And that, that shows a lot of maturity and employees. Because, uh, you know, he’s getting down to it where he really needs to find a job, but he’s wanting to find the right job.

But, you know, I, I’ve been, I’m, I had a conversation with someone who sent Ethan and email today and it was a pretty hasty email he had. He was just really frustrated because he hadn’t heard anything back from us. And the reality of it was, and I called him and told him, I said, you know, we looked at your resume and you have a great resume. I mean this guy has got experience from 2001, 2017, the same employer, like it’s good and it’s, it’s in somewhat of an area of what we are looking for. But there were some components to it that there was just no way that they would consider him. And so we didn’t call him in, but it wasn’t because we were trying to ignore him. It was just because we knew that we would be wasting his time in doing that.

And so, you know, I went over this with them and at the end, you know, he just kind of broke down a little bit and he was like, man, I’m so sorry I sent that. He said, I can tell you really were looking out for us. He’s like, it’s just the frustration of this has gotten to me. He said, you know, when I go and share this with my wife, she’s gonna be, she’s gonna wish that she would have a reference this with me before I sent this out. And he’s like, man, please consider me. He was such a nice guy and it was so different from his email and you could just tell this guy had just hit some frustration. And so I brought in Ben Because I’ve noticed that you’ve been handling a little bit different being and, and so really I just wanted to ask you about your story and so in.

But before we get into that, like in approximately one to two minutes, tell me about what it is that you do and what you’re looking for. Thanks for having me, Corey. I appreciate the invite. Um, I like to call myself a performance architect, PMP certified project manager. I’ve got a background in software development, process improvement. CNC Machinist, I’ve done a little bit of, uh, a lot of different things and the oil and gas industry, the electric utility space, uh, but most of, most of what I do is just looking to make, make things more efficient, more effective to help companies function better. A lot of it’s just a strategic problem solving across multiple departments and, you know, asking a lot of dumb questions. I’m not, I’m not afraid to be the dumbest guy in the room. And, uh, I’ll, I’ll ask questions that most folks at a senior project manager level aren’t, aren’t comfortable asking because often we’re expected to know things that I’m.

To be honest, I don’t know how I would know it and I’m not a reservoir engineer. I’m not a materials manager, so I got to ask those questions. But essentially what I like to do is just make sure that everyone’s performing at their highest level and that they understand why they’re doing what they’re doing. Great. I wanted everybody to know the level that you’re, you’re managing things. Before we got into this, how long has it been since you’ve been laid off? Um, I was laid off on October 23rd last year. So it’s been two days. A little bit about 90 days. You’re right there at, you know, there were, there was a statistic that I didn’t have on today’s program a outline, but I was reading it just the other day was from the Department of Labor and it was saying that roughly you should expect at a mid level manager type position. You know, I was telling you this at church the other day that you should probably expect around 90 days, uh, to be able to find something. And so you’re right there at that, at that moment. So you might be feeling some of what that guy was feeling like. Talk, talk to me about this though, like he has some legitimate concerns or frustrations, doesn’t he?

Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, in all honesty, cory, I don’t know that I would say I’m at 90 days because during that time period you’ve got the Thanksgiving holiday. Uh, that’s about two weeks out of the, out of the November month, uh, almost all of December is a to b, to be honest, during a job hunt is almost worthless. You can have a lot of decent conversations, but nobody’s really putting pen to paper. Nobody’s really planning things. They’re talking about stuff and they’re, they’re coming up with some ideas for next year. But to be honest, there’s about six weeks during that, that three month period that is almost a wash. There’s almost no opportunity in there. Um, and I don’t say that lightly. I mean I landed my last two jobs in November and December. Uh, it was a different scenario, different situation. So you can be hired in November and December, but the likelihood is just much smaller, especially at a, at a mid level management type of position.

You know, Ben, I really think you’re right because, you know, Ethan, Ethan, you confirm this as well. Generally, you know, November and December we really slowed down a lot and, and I, I agree with you on that. So can you tell us a little bit about your journey during that? During the whole time, so we’ve got about 90 days in at least two to three weeks of that is almost off. It’s off the grid because everyone is just busy. But tell me a little bit about your journey. So, um,

I immediately reached out, you know, once, when I got the word that I, that I was going to be laid off. I reached out to um, a bunch of different recruiters that I’ve worked with before in the past, um, summit found me jobs, you know, others had been instrumental in just communicating and talking about how to find a job and things like that. Let them all know, hey, I’m back on the market. You can see on my linkedin, my linkedin activity, it, you can tell when I have a job and when I’m looking for a job. And that’s one thing I would really recommend people do is stay active on linkedin. You know, you don’t have to post a ton. You don’t have to, you know, it’s not real. I don’t feel like it’s facebook where you got to be throwing out pictures and all that stuff, but you know, find something about once a week, find some posts to, to make a comment on, uh, during that, but, you know, so I haven’t had to revitalize my, my linkedin network real early on in the hunt. Um, just because I hadn’t it fresh, I hadn’t kept, stayed on top of things and it hadn’t been talking a lot and keeping, you know, visibility, the more you’re seeing, the better you are, the more, the more you talk to people, the more likely you are to get recognized when it’s time to actually land a new job.

You know, a long time ago I did a, I taught for a good while, like job development classes for people who are unemployed. I don’t know why, but it’s always been a passion of mine. You’ve probably seen this in meeting with me instantaneously. I just wanted to help talk with you and encourage you. It’s just, it’s always been something that’s in me. And one of the things that I always used to tell people is that while you’re unemployed, make certain that you are the most impressive unemployed person imaginable. And you know, that’s just your way of doing that. You can use this time to educate yourself. CNC Machinist, I know that that’s what Ben is talking about. Part of it is reading some material that’s in your field and making certain that you’re on top of your game whenever you’re interviewing and it gives you something to talk to

about. Yeah, definitely. Um, you know, I spent the first half of November really digging in and calling a lot of people up to it. You know, I had my resume fairly well updated, had to add, you know, a couple of bullet points, but, you know, I’ve, I’ve kept fresh on the resume but throwing their resume out there, submitting their resume on job boards and, and, you know, finding some, uh, some job openings on job boards and posting resumes to that. Um, a lot of different activity like that. And then about mid November, it just, all the phone calls stopped, uh, just became a real grind. I’m, you know, I’m reaching out, but not getting a lot of feedback, not getting a lot of response back. And I found out, uh, toward the end of November that job boards are not really a great place to find a job anymore. Uh, you may find a lead there, but that’s not how you’re submitting resumes. They’re online inquiry. You May, you may correct me if I’m wrong, but submitting resumes there is not really how you’re going to find a job.

Well, and that’s what the gentleman that I was talking about earlier, that’s really where his frustration is coming from is because that is for what everyone would consider the mainstream way of going and finding a job now. And what it’s become is because so many people are utilizing it, it’s become the great big black hole. And then Ethan can even speak about this because Ethan’s getting emails every day with all sorts of, you know, con, uh, you know, different things that people are looking for and they’re, you know, there’s no way you can call back those people, you know. No, no, you really don’t have time to call back. And actually, you know, going back to some stats that we’ve actually said once before, but I mean the average time that a recruiter spends at a resume is about six seconds and that’s when they decide whether or not they’re interested or not. And yeah, it’s tough when you feel there are all these resumes and you don’t have much time to make an impression on all. That’s hard. Yeah. So, so Ben, what are some things that you’ve done to keep yourself so positive? Because that’s the one thing that I admired and still admired the most in you. You know, you might not feel that positive all the time, you know, but that’s what you are presenting, at least to me. So

thing I, one thing I knew right out of the gate was this is gonna be a rollercoaster, CNC Machinist, you know, you’re strapped into and especially in a layoff, you know, I’ve been in a layoff previously where they announced it in February and my last day, it wasn’t until October, this was the previous one. So I had like an eight month death march to the end of that job. So you kind of prepare for it, you know, that’s that, that’s that slow starting rollercoaster when you get called in the middle of the day and your boss tells you, hey, we’re laying you off, your last day is going to be tomorrow. That’s like getting on the powder keg at a in Branson and I mean it’s zero to 60 in two seconds. You’re just right out of the gate and you’re going, oh my God.

It’s quite shocking. You ride that ride. It isn’t. It is intense.

It’s immediately you’re dropped into this a free fall of, Oh man, I got to do some. I got a bunch of stuff I got to get done right out of the way right away. My first recommendation is if you have, if you don’t have your resume updated now while you’re not job hunting, you know, update your resume today so that when that call happens, you can pull it out and remind yourself, you know what? I’m good. I’m good at this. You know what I do when I’m. You know what I’m passionate about. I am good at this because that’s the first thing that’s going to hit you is this idea that they laid me off because I wasn’t good enough. That’s not necessarily true in most cases. It’s not, it’s all a financial thing for me. It was the fact that I was a remote employee.

Um, you know, I probably pulled more salary than, than some of the other team members. So it’s not a matter of whether or not I’m skilled at what I do, it’s just a matter of the numbers in most cases. Um, and I would say you have to, you have to be your biggest cheerleader. So in order to do that you have to remind yourself how good you are at things. Um, so, so start there, but you also need at least one or two individuals in your, on your team. You know, if you were, if you were training as a boxer, I’m the poster at the gym is really awesome for those training days, you know, where you’re in there hitting the bag and hitting the weights and doing the running and the jump rope and all that stuff. When you’re training, that poster on the wall can help drive you when you’re in the ring and the bell goes off, that poster is not there for you.

Who’s in your corner? It’s your manager at your trainer. It’s the guy that’s, that’s backing you up, telling you, hey, you know, try this. Hey, try that. Uh, those are the people that, you know, those are the things that are really, really important so that, you know, inspiring motivational poster of, you know, stick with it. Perseverance is great. That’s helpful at times, but really you need somebody that you can call on and say, hey man, I’m having a rough day. Here’s what happened. You know, I’ve had multiple situations. I, I started out November having lunch with a couple of executives from an oil and gas company that sounded really positive. They were both, you know, just, we had a great conversation. It sounded awesome. They were, you know, man, we’re going to call you in December. They called me in December, but to tell me that, uh, well, not nothing yet.

Um, you know, let’s, let’s look back up at the beginning of the year. Here we are in February and it’s just kind of gotten real stale. Um, so there’ll be times where you feel like, yes, this is gonna work and then, you know, a couple of weeks goes by and you realize, man, I don’t know that it’s going to work anymore. Um, so having somebody that you can kind of bounce that off of and go, man, this is what I’m dealing with right now is this is my frustration that’s going to, to remind you it’s okay. You know, this kind of thing happens. CNC Machinist, you know, you’re going to be, you’re going to be all right. That’s important. That’s critical.

If you don’t mind me paraphrasing this quick and tell me if I’m wrong, but your, your perspective that you hold while you’re unemployed is really going to change your circumstances in some times. Everyone’s going to have something in their head, um, that they are thinking and having the ability to control your thoughts and making sure I’m paying attention to the truth and not allowing your imagination to run off with you is, is really important. And this is the paraphrase, if you, if you have, if you have the thought process that you need to say and dwell on the things that you think will eventually you’re going to feel all of those things that you say and think. So you gotta be real careful with your time, with your mindset.

Yeah. You know, I, I think that half of these, what could be setbacks are, um, blessings in disguise. And if you assume that all of them are a blessing in disguise, then you’re only wrong half the time and you stay positive. You know what I’m saying? Like, you know what? Maybe that just wasn’t the right spot for me. And that’s okay. You know, and, and so a lot. One thing I’ve done is I’ve reached out to a lot of folks that I’ve interviewed with and when they say, you know what, we’re going with a different candidate, reached back out to him and go, Hey, I’m glad you found the right candidate for your position, you know, the right fit is important. Um, you know, if I’m not the right fit for that, I don’t want to be there because it’s not going to be long before we both realized this is not a good fit and I’ll be back to job hunting again. Um, so getting the right fit is critical, but it’s also critical for the employer and just let them know, you know, I wish I was working there, you know, I wish I had, I wish I’d landed the job already obviously, but I’m glad you found the right, the right fit for you.

Yeah. Well just for time sake, I want to try to wrap this up real. I’d, I had, I had two or three things I wanted to bring up just from a mindset standpoint because I know that’s something that you brought up. You know, the first thing that you can do to help with your mindset is whatever it is that you decide to do, whatever it is, just commit to being the very best that you can be. Put everything that you have in it. When you do that, at the end of the day, there’s something there that really makes you feel better about it because you know that you’ve done everything that you can and not only that, CNC Machinist, most people aren’t willing to do that and it helps give you a leg up. The next thing is, is when you have an opportunity, focus on helping other people. When you help other people, there’s something magical.

When you put, when you help other people get what they want. If you have an opportunity to do that, there’s something there that really, really elevates your spirits. The third thing is be grateful for what you’ve been given. It’s not natural to be grateful. In fact, it’s very, very difficult to maintain being grateful, but everyone in the United States has the opportunity to be grateful. And the last thing that I would recommend is, is believed the best. Is yet to come. This belief gives you hope and that hope helps you sustain, sustain the perspective that will eventually help you change your circumstances. I hope that this helped you at all. If you heard about Ben and his experience and we’re interested, please give trinity a call. We will get you indirect content contact with him. Our number is nine one eight six, two, two, two, five, eight, eight. Or you can visit us online at Trinity Employment Dot Com.